The Portable HD Video Recorder Smackdown: Flip UltraHD vs Kodak Zi8

I came across a realization a few weeks ago. When doing a product review, it helps to supplement the writing with video. The problem was, I didn’t have a good way to capture high-quality video with any of the older devices I have. I had tried with a built-in iSight as well as an external one, an older Sony camcorder recording directly to DV video in iMovie and a few webcams and digital cameras as well. But none of those were producing quality videos, especially not in High Definition. So I embarked on a bit of a challenge, to get my hands on a couple of the leading portable HD video cameras out there: the Flip UltraHD and the Kodak Zi8.

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I don’t have the luxury of having a gadget expense account. All that I have to rely on is the kindness of vendors and PR firms to supply me with either loans or donations of the latest and greatest technology gear. For the most part, because of my technology passion, coupled with the fact that I have about 3 years of doing gadget reviews under my belt, I guess that I have a bit of a gadget reputation. Regardless, I turned to Twitter to help with this review, specifically getting these two HD cameras. I love the power of Twitter. While it took a few weeks, the end result was that I can now use either the Zi8 or the UltraHD in my future product reviews (as well as filming some family movies on the side). A special thanks goes out to both the Flip and Kodak folks (and their PR firms) for graciously donating these devices to me for use in my future product reviews and event coverage.

The Flip UltraHD

Flip_ultraHD_front Flip has done a great job creating a strong marketing image for themselves. They present the various Flip Video lines as lifestyles, and with many different models available, complete with skin and feature customizations, there is a model for everybody. When I reviewed their site, the UltraHD was the one that stood out in my opinion. I wanted a high definition recorder that could hold a few hours of video, all from a compact, easy to use device.

The Flip UltraHD comes with the camcorder, a rechargeable battery pack, wrist strap, soft case and a quickstart guide. Also, there is no need to buy a SD media card to store your videos as it comes with storage (8 GBs). Within the storage is also the FlipShare software that lets you easily manage your videos, create movies, take snapshots from videos and share your videos with various communities.

Setting up the UltraHD is very easy (and you can tweak any of the settings later by holding down the bright red button when the Flip is starting up).Flip_red_button You scroll through the setting up of date and time and some other items and you are pretty much up and running after a few seconds. One thing that I do like in the settings is that you can not only disable the “be-beep” (proprietary?) sound of the Flip recording, but you can also disable the red recording light on the front of the Flip. This feature is important when you are trying to keep interviews or conversations with people casual. People tend to perform when they see the red light (at least my kids do) or get shy or nervous when confronted with the ominous red light.

When powered, the 2” display screen is bright and easy to see. There is also an indicator of the amount of time remaining in storage. Storage itself is 8 GB which can hold about 120 minutes of 16:9 720P HD video. Once a movie is recorded, it can be played back on the view screen. You use the right and left arrows to navigate through each of the recorded scenes. You also have the ability to do playback on an HDMI compatible device. Note that there is not an HDMI cable provided and that the cable is an HDMI mini cable, not standard.

flip_side Videos are also downloaded easily via a USB connector. On the side of the UltraHD is a button that, when pulled down, flips out a USB connector like a switchblade. Simply plug the USB into either a Mac or PC to mount the Flip as a USB drive. You also have the ability to install the FlipShare software. The FlipShare Software installers for both Mac and PC are within the device (or you can download from the Flip site) so there is no installer CD included with the packaging.

The FlipShare software contains the very basic functionality for downloading, managing and sharing your recorded HD media. The features and look and feel are consistent cross-platform and since the software remains with the Flip, you can install it on any computer that you need to. This is a very handy feature. Very rudimentary movies can be created using the FlipShare software. Below is a series of screens that show the 4 steps to create a movies with a title, multiple HD movies, credits and music. The process only takes a few minutes (depending on the length of the videos).

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You also have the ability to share your content via email, greeting cards or online, as well as through a service called the “Flip Channel”. This is essentially a community of Flip video users where people can create and share the movies they created on the Flip.

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Your movies are easily organized within folders grouped by dates within the FlipShare software. While the software features are very basic, they do their job quite well.

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I like the fact that the Flip UltraHD can stand up on its own when placed on a level, flat surface and doesn’t need a tripod for hands-free operation. It is not always ideal to lug around a tripod or Gorillapod (a very cool tripod that has flexible legs/arms that can be wrapped around just about anything stationary or on uneven surfaces). The UltraHD works best when filming in bright light and of items in a distance. I don’t recommend using it for low-light or product close-ups. It’s great for family get-togethers or snapping quick HD videos of events. Think of it as a simple point-and-click camera versus a digital SLR (where the digital SLR would be a higher end HD camcorder like the Sony HDR-XR500).

Overall, the Flip UltraHD seems to be a reliable portable HD camcorder. It’s a good entry-level camera that can do a majority of what an average family might want in a portable camcorder. It feels solid enough to give to a kid to use, yet produces quite good HD recording.

The Kodak Zi8

Zi8_black_front_645x370 I received the Kodak Zi8 about a month after the Flip. I had tried to stay clear of reading other reviews (a policy that I stand by in order to keep my own reviews as unbiased as possible). I had, however, looked over the product pages and mentioned that I would testing the Zi8 on Twitter. The tweets that came back to me were very positive for the Zi8. Even during the Apple iPod event, when Apple announced the new iPod Nano with the “free” video recorder in it, the feedback was positive.

As the Apple iPod Nano was announced, I tweeted outThe new Nano doesn’t do HD so I’m sticking with Flip UltraHD (and possibly Kodak Zi8)“. Within a few minutes, Robert Scoble (avid, blogger, vlogger, who I have met a few times and who I knew was a Flip Video user in the past), tweeted outThe new Nano doesn’t do HD @HighTechDad says. I agree, big winner is Kodak here. The new Zi8 totally rocks.“. That response plus a few other tweets I had seen started to convince me that that the Kodak was going to be a big contender for the leadership spot.

I was very excited when I received the Zi8. It is slightly larger in length and width than the Flip UltraHD but its thickness is a bit less (0.9 inches vs. the Flip’s 1.17 inches). It also has less of a boxy look than the Flip and the surface is much more glossy and polished (the UltraHD is more of a matted color and material). When you have glossy surfaces, fingerprints tend to stand out, which they do on the Zi8. Not a huge deal since a soft cloth wipes it clean.

The Kodak Zi8 comes with the camcorder, Kodak Li-ion rechargeable battery, HDMI & A/V cables, user guide and wrist strap.

One thing that the Zi8 does NOT come with is a SD or SDHC card. I found this to be really annoying as the 128 MB internal storage is good for about 3 seconds of HD video, hardly long enough to test. So I had to order an SDHC card from Amazon. Luckily, these types of cards abound. You probably should look for a Class IV (search) or Class VI (search) as they will perform a bit better supposedly. I picked up a Transcend 16 GB SDHC Class 6 card for about $38 from Amazon. It is convenient to be able to immediately record with the Flip right out of the box I must say. But in retrospect, having the ability to quickly and easily swap out SD/SDHC cards makes the Zi8 a bit more appealing.

The screen on the Zi8 is about 2.5″ diagonal, is clear, crisp and bright. Sound quality from the speakers is tinny (like the Flip) but you do get full audio and video playback on both devices.

Like the Flip, the Zi8 has a series of buttons on the Zi8_black_front_645x370back including a red one that is for initiating recording. However the button is also a joystick that allows you to navigate and zoom (when the camera is active). On the Flip,  you use the navigation buttons that surround the big red button for zooming and other functions. The Kodak has 4 other buttons (Settings, Trash, Video and Playback) that are dedicated. The Flip has Play and Trash buttons only (which serve as multi-function buttons).

Like the Flip, the Kodak has a pop-out USB connector. However, instead of being a rigid arm, the Zi8’s has one that is flexible and has a bit of a give to it. This is particularly handy if you are using a laptop that sits flat on a desk (although mine are raised using various USB cooling fans). The Flip’s is solid and I was a bit worried about bending or breaking it as I connected it to a free port. Both the Flip and the Kodak seemed to function fine on both the high-powered and low powered USB ports on my MacBook Pro. Also, both the Flip and the Kodak use the USB connection to charge the internal batteries. The Kodak, though, does include a handy USB wall charger which is great if you don’t have your laptop or computer with you. Zi8_USB

A few other nice features that are built into the Zi8 is their “smart face tracking” technology which is supposed to ensure good lighting when it recognizes faces. Also, the Zi8 supposedly has better low-light capabilities which is useful when filming in a dark room or at dusk. Lastly, the Zi8 also functions as a 5.3 MP still camera (on the Flip, you have to use the included software to take snapshots from videos). This is very handy to have and eliminates the need to have to carry around another point-and-click camera. Note though that there is no flash built in so it is only good for well-lit shots. There is a 4x digital zoom (compared to the 2x digital zoom on the Flip) which works fairly well but in lower light situations, it can get a bit grainy and pixilated. Lastly, there is the option to connect an external microphone (stereo) which is a nice add-on, especially for face-to-face interviews and such. (I have not tested this yet.)

Kodak chose to use ArcSoft’s MediaImpressions for their PC video management software. For the Mac user, they simply relied on iPhoto for managing the video and photos (which was fine by me). Below are some screenshots of MediaImpressions in action. You are initially greeted with some basic sharing and management functions:

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Once you download your videos from the Zi8, you can manage them (and other media) through the interface. You can tag videos and categorize them fairly easily. The ArcSoft software is contained within the Zi8 so you can install easily on any computer.

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Creating a quick movie is just as easy as on the Flip. There are a few more functions (like themes) and the places you can easily share to (like YouTube, Facebook, Vimeo and others) as well as the ability to quickly archive to DVD.

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Lastly, MediaImpressions has the ability to convert and export your videos to other devices like Sony PSPs or Apple iPods/iPhones.

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Overall, I found the Kodak Zi8 to be excellent in terms of its features and capabilities. My only complaints were that you can’t stand it on a table (like you can with the Flip) and that it doesn’t come with a SD card (even a 4 or 8 GB SD card would have been nice). The picture quality and audio are both quite good. It seems to me that the Kodak team took the Flip and tried to improve on some of the features therein. I view the Zi8 as more of a “business” device, with a bit more configurability (e.g., you can choose the different HD formats on the fly: 1080p/30 frames per second, 720p/60fps, 720p/30fps, WVGA/30fps and still shots/camera mode). While it is hard to notice the difference quickly, more careful viewing of the output reveals crisper details and better panning, especially when using the 60fps option.

Head to Head

I have a feeling that this market of portable HD video cameras will start to get cluttered over the next year or so. Flip was probably the first big entrant into the space, at least the one that did so with the most splash and recognition. Since then, other competitors have arrived with good fanfare including the Kodak Zi6, the Samsung HMX-U10, the Kodak Zi8 and most recently, Apple’s iPod Nano (although the Nano doesn’t really fall into the category that well since it doesn’t record HD video). I would have liked to include the Samsung in this comparative review but unfortunately I don’t have access to one.

One of the best ways to compare these two devices is to simply look at the specs side-by-side:

Flip UltraHD Kodak Zi8
Sensor Type 1/4.5″ HD 2.2 MP CMOS 1/4.5-type 1.6 MP CMOS
Lens f/2.4 6.3mm, f2.8 fixed focus
35 mm equivalent: 61 mm (1080p), 46 mm (720p/60fps, 720p, WVGA), 42 mm (still)
Zoom 2x digital 4x digital
Display size 2 inches 2.5 inches
Storage 8GB 128 MB internal, SD/SDHC expansion card slot
Focus Modes Fixed Focus normal/macro
Focus Range 1.5m to infinity normal: 100cm – infinity/macro: 15cm
White Balance auto auto
File Formats H.264, AAC MP4 video: H.264(MOV), AAC LC; still: JPEG
Capture Mode(s) 720p (1280×720,30 fps) 1080p (1920 × 1080, 30 fps)
720p/60 fps (1280 × 720, 60 fps)
720p (1280 × 720, 30 fps)
WVGA (848 × 480, 30 fps)
Still (5.3 MP, 16:9 widescreen, interpolated)
Microphone wide-range stereo microphone yes (monaural)
Speaker yes yes
I/O interfaces USB 2.0 (high speed)
HDMI
USB 2.0 (high speed)
AV out
HDMI
DC in
external mic jack (stereo)
Battery Flip Video AA rechargeable battery pack (1.2 volt NiHM) KODAK Li-ion Rechargeable Digital Camera Battery/AC adapter
Dimensions (l x w x h) 4.25 x 2.19 x 1.17 inches 4.5 x 2.4 x 0.9 inches
Weight 6.0 oz 3.9 oz (w/o batteries)
MSRP $199.99 $179.95
Current Amazon Price (on 9.30.09) $161.98 – Amazon link $179.95 – Amazon link

I recommend taking a look at this quick video review. You can see up close shots of both the Flip UltraHD and the Kodak Zi8 in action as well as a quick video side-by-side of the same scene filmed simultaneously. (Note: these close up videos were filmed using the Sony HDR-XR500)

Summing up the Good & the Bad

Both the Flip UltraHD and the Kodak Zi8 fill the need for portable HD video recorders. They both have small form factors and produce great quality video images. They are extremely easy to use and each have their own software for managing movies, creating content and sharing with a variety of sources. At around the same price point, each device is worthy of being on a shortlist of gadgets to get for your family. The Amazon price for the Flip UltraHD makes it currently slightly more reasonable than the Zi8, but if you weigh in the items I mentioned above as well as the bullets below, you might want to consider the Kodak Zi8 as the leading candidate. Quickly:

In my evaluation of the two devices, the Kodak Zi8 seems to have a pretty strong edge over the Flip UltraHD. In my opinion, the Zi8 is more oriented towards the “business professional” or geeky parent who knows the different HD formats, and UltraHD more family oriented to the general family who doesn’t care too much about the techy stuff and just wants something that is easy to use and the management software is the same across both Macs and Windows. If you want more features and configurability for the price, I would get the Kodak Zi8. If you are at your local Costco, Target or Walmart and see the Flip UltraHD for a good price, get it for the family.

HTD says: Consumer High-Definition video capture devices are really becoming reasonable. It’s best to do some side-by-side comparisons though, before you take the plunge.

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  • keosky
    oops - think you've got a couple of decimals off on your Amazon pricing. Otherwise great overview !
  • Thanks for catching that. Odd WP HTML issue. I have fixed!
  • astrosjeff
    Did you think about the Creative Vado HD at all? I researched these two plus the Vado, and found it to be pretty similar quality at half price. Would be curious to hear your thoughts on it, too, if you can get your hands on one.
  • I have not tried the Creative nor the Samsung either. Would love to try them. Hadn't even heard of the Creative actually (funny!).
  • Very thorough review. You made my decision making easy. Thanx
  • Good review. I reviewed the Zi6 over at SkillCasting.com What I miss about the new Zi8 are the replaceable batteries. I can go to several soccer games without worrying about power knowing I can replace 'em with a good rechargeable battery.

    A HUGE plus for the new Zi8 is the external mic jack. I use an Audio-Techinica 20-foot lapel mic. The Flip Mino sounded dreadful. The Kodak Zi6 was better but the Zi8 should trump them both.

    If you get a chance for more side-by-side video comparisons, that would really help. The Flip looked brighter and the Kodak had more contrast. I'd like to really see more to get a better feel for the quality.

    Great job. Thanks.
  • Good review Michael, you covered it all... and I love the bit about the flip standing on it's own. I never thought of that. I actually started vlogging with a flip. It was an earthshaking experience for me to have that kind of independence and such simple technology. Kudos to Flip for filling that niche. I also wanted to offer up a peripheral I found valuable: http://twitpic.com/500ts This was a must have as my laptop is my editing machine and I didn't want to damage the usb port since i was uploading all the time. Love the switchblade connector, but always felt like it was a little clunky and wearing out my port.

    Sukhjit
  • Thanks Sukjjit for that suggestion. That is a good little peripheral to have and I may have to pick one of those up.
  • Darius
    Intresting review, but not very profesional in my opinion. Here is what I think on conclusions:
    Focus: The question is which camera reacts faster and get better objects in a focus. Macro is good, but should not be a wining factor.
    Microphone. Again question is which camera provides better voice quality. External mic is great but how likely you going to buy one. Me.. no way. I'm not journalist.
    Lens. Question is which camera has more advanced lens to provide better quality. UltraHD has F2.4 Kodak F2.8. (my wife has and SLR so she paying a lot extra for better F-number lenses) So IMHO Flip has more advanced lens.
    Video Formats. I personaly hate *.mov files on my PC.
    Image stabilization. From videos I saw on youtube they are shaking about same. So my question: are there any practical use from Kodak's stabilization?
    Picture quality: that is the main question. Why I want a mini camera instead of using my cell phone? Quality! But can't find answer on these two cameras.
  • Thanks Darius for your critique of my review. You bring up some good
    points. When I dive into reviews, I frequently stay away from over-
    analyzing the tech details. There are plenty of sites that will go
    into 2x vs 4x zoom quality or the F2.4 or F2.8 (honestly, I am not a
    photographer and couldn't tell you the nuances of that). I probably
    should though in hindsight. However, what I try to do in my reviews is
    provide a "lower common denominator" type of analysis and what I
    personal thought. I look at all with an unbiased eye but I will voice
    what I think stands out or needs to be improved.

    Regarding your specific points:
    Focus: Macro helps in my particular situations. Thus for me, it was an
    important factor. The Flip needed quite a distance (better for longer
    shots) for things to come into focus.
    Microphone: Both sounded the same. For me, the "option" of being able
    to connect a mic is a plus.
    Lens: Couldn't tell you there. They both don't have Carl Zeiss lenses.
    With the slightly lower aperture, you get better depth of field, I
    believe.
    Video: I'm a Mac guy, for me, either format worked.
    Image stabilization: there is a difference. Yes, both were shaky and
    it is hard to show the differences in the 3 second clip. It's not a
    scientific study. Some stabilization is better than none. Of course,
    you can do stabilization post-filming (e.g., iMovie has an option to
    automatically stabilize)
    Picture Quality: Hmm. I mentioned the fact that Kodak has a 5.3MP
    camera. Don't know what the resolution would be on the Flip if you did
    a capture from a movie using the FlipShare software. The Kodak also
    has 1080p/30fps and 720p/60fps, which, I would assume, would have a
    better definition quality than the matching 720p/30fps.

    I do appreciate your comments...it makes me think about future reviews
    and trying to drop a bit more tech analysis in there...I just don't
    want to alienate those non-techies which is who makes up my particular
    audience.
  • First off, thanks so much for doing such a great and indepth comparison between the two camcorders. Absolutely great job!!!

    That is quite annoying that the Zi8 does not come with a SDHC card, and you have to buy one.. boo.

    As far as the tripod, I never stand my Flip on it's end. I use a tripod with that as well.

    The things that stands out the most for me is the image stabilization of the Zi8 as well as the true 1080p HD. Both of these cameras CRUSH the iPod nano.

    Again, great post! Keep up the awesome work!
    CF
  • NormMonkey
    I say that ZOOM is more of a tie. The Zi8 does 4x but it does it in steps, not smooth like the UltraHD. Fine if you don't care that the zoom isn't smooth; disappointing if you were expecting smooth.

    The Zi8's image stabilization is a minor improvement at best, and hardly noticeable at worst.

    Lastly, watch out if comparing the 1080p mode in the Zi8 to the UltraHD or any other camera. FSR the field of view is tighter than in 720p mode and it doesn't react to lighting the same way either, compared to 720p. I found that 1080p did deliver more detail than 720p, but I stick with 720p.
  • Thanks for this review! After reading this, the Zi8 got another victim and Flip lost.
  • Melissa
    You forgot to mention that the Flip UltraHD has a underwater case accessory. With it you can go down to 30ft in water to take water shots. I was torn between these 2 cameras too. I was so happy to get this comparison of the exact cameras I'm looking at. I wish you took videos from both the camera and posted it on the comparisons too. At least we can review the videos too.
  • Melissa
    You forgot to mention that the Flip UltraHD has a underwater case accessory. With it you can go down to 30ft in water to take water shots. I was torn between these 2 cameras too. I was so happy to get this comparison of the exact cameras I'm looking at. I wish you took videos from both the camera and posted it on the comparisons too. At least we can review the videos too.
  • James File
    Excellent review. You helped me make my decision very easy. Off to Best Buy to get Zi8. Thanks!
  • Canisu
    I'm debating whether or not to buy the Flip HD Mino (the ultra is too big to fit in my pocket) or the Kodak Zi8. The one thing that really appeals to me about the Kodak for family use is that you can easily connect it to a TV with a cable and watch t that way. Is there a way to do that with the Flip?
    Has anyone compared the thickness of the Kodak tot he thickness of the Flip Mino? The Mino is thinner than the Flip Ultra. My husband bought me the Ultra and I returned it since I have two kids and really wanted something I could easily slip in my jeans pocket or cell phone pocket in my purse. So any comments from propel regarding ease of whipping out the Kodak would be great, too.

    Thanks!!
  • Well the other option that you have is to get an iPod Nano that has the video built in. It's NOT HD but is multi-purpose. I found the Kodak to be much less bulky than the UltraHD but have not tried the Mino. The Kodak works well in my pocket.
  • Melissa
    What about picture quality with low light? There was another youtube comparison that showed side by side video and the Kodal looked terrible. What have you seen?

    Thanks.
  • Picture quality in low light is not that great with either device because the small lens size cannot capture that much light. For the best results, you really need good bright lighting (outside lighting is best) to really make it worth it.
  • Hi Mike,

    I am planning to buy Kodak because of the ability to have an external microphone. What kind of microphone would you suggest I use, if there is one. I am looking for something that is cordless, blue tooth, or at least I can attach on me when recording my videos.

    Thank you,

    Narek Gabrielyan

    P.S. Let me know if I should clarify my question more.
  • That is a great question, one that I'm looking to answer myself. If you come across any that look interesting, please let me know and I will reach out to see if I can review one. Sorry, I have only been using the built-in one.
  • Thank you. I will let you know if someone recommends one to me.
  • rob davis
    which is better in low light situations..? flip ultra hd or kodak zi8
  • This little gem arrived via UPS just last week, and I am extremely impressed with the combination of features, quality and performance.
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